Antivirus just refuses to let me install SAR, no matter how many exceptions i create, it keeps aggressively blocking the installation...

[PcbFlare]

As many before me, i turn to SAR to solve issue of OBS refusing to record ASIO audio (in my case from VST plugins running in Renoise).
I downloaded the latest available version, and the msi file got immediately blocked by AVG.
So i flagged it as false positive, sent it to the "AVG Labs", double checked on VirusTotal (only screaming AVs are Avast and AVG, which is a same company anyway, so i do trust it's a false positive).
I created an exception and restarted the installation.
During the start of the next installation process, the *.msi file copied itself to Windows\Installer under randomized filename, and AVG blocked THAT file.
So i created exception for that file as well. The installation generated yet ANOTHER msi file with randomized name in Windows\Installer folder.
At this point i got suspicious myself.
Anyway, i stopped the installation, manually unpacked the msi file with 7zip, manually set each and every file as exception in AVG, told the AV to ignore the files no matter the path where it finds them, and restarted the installation.
Once again, another msi got created in Windows\Installer, got immediately blocked.
I ragequit OBS and now i'm here.

P.S. (some venting & other fluff)
Looks like if i want to record a video of a specific process in some VST or in some DAW, i'm gonna have to record my monitor with a cellphone.
Yeah, there's always ability to switch the audio from ASIO to DirectSound, but then the latency becomes so bad i'm no longer able to play anything live, so it kinda defeats the purpose.

Just in case there are people who've been through the ASIO/OBS clusterfook and have different solution, i'm all ears.
I already tried various other audio routing apps, virtual cables, i downloaded dedicated third party ASIO recording plugin for OBS - NOTHING WORKS.
I either set-up one of the five "100% working and easy to setup ASIO2OBS solutions" and as a result have no sound in the videos recorded in OBS, or i just give up, switch my DAW driver to non-ASIO driver, try to play with a second and half of latency and give up out of sheer frustration, because it's exactly like that trick where you give someone headphones that feed him back his own speech delayed, and the person starts stuttering and throwing random syllables like a demented parrot with aphasia...

Playing on a keyboard when sounds start with such a massive latency - IT CAN'T BE DONE.
Thanks to anyone willing to listen. If you're also willing to help/give me tip for another "100% working, user friendly and easy to setup ASIO2OBS solution", i'm game, but there's a solid chance if that method is gonna fail as well, i'm gonna recreate this rant on a support forum for another software...

[Yonatan-Mijelshon]

If software is frustrating you, just go full analog loopback. Go out your ASIO app with a cable then go back in another input, can be the built in audio jack, etc. I myself got frustrated with SAR years ago, now use the SPDIF connection in and out

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On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 at 01:44 PcbFlare ***@***.***> wrote: *PcbFlare* created an issue (eiz/SynchronousAudioRouter#141) <#141> As many before me, i turn to SAR to solve issue of OBS refusing to record ASIO audio (in my case from VST plugins running in Renoise). I downloaded the latest available version, and the msi file got immediately blocked by AVG. So i flagged it as false positive, sent it to the "AVG Labs", double checked on VirusTotal (only screaming AVs are Avast and AVG, which is a same company anyway, so i do trust it's a false positive). I created an exception and restarted the installation. During the start of the next installation process, the *.msi file copied itself to Windows\Installer under randomized filename, and AVG blocked THAT file. So i created exception for that file as well. The installation generated yet ANOTHER msi file with randomized name in Windows\Installer folder. At this point i got suspicious myself. Anyway, i stopped the installation, manually unpacked the msi file with 7zip, manually set each and every file as exception in AVG, told the AV to ignore the files no matter the path where it finds them, and restarted the installation. Once again, another msi got created in Windows\Installer, got immediately blocked. I ragequit OBS and now i'm here. P.S. (some venting & other fluff) Looks like if i want to record a video of a specific process in some VST or in some DAW, i'm gonna have to record my monitor with a cellphone. Yeah, there's always ability to switch the audio from ASIO to DirectSound, but then the latency becomes so bad i'm no longer able to play anything live, so it kinda defeats the purpose. Just in case there are people who've been through the ASIO/OBS clusterfook and have different solution, i'm all ears. I already tried various other audio routing apps, virtual cables, i downloaded dedicated third party ASIO recording plugin for OBS - NOTHING WORKS. I either set-up one of the five "100% working and easy to setup ASIO2OBS solutions" and as a result have no sound in the videos recorded in OBS, or i just give up, switch my DAW driver to non-ASIO driver, try to play with a second and half of latency and give up out of sheer frustration, because it's exactly like that trick where you give someone headphones that feed him back his own speech delayed, and the person starts stuttering and throwing random syllables like a demented parrot with aphasia... Playing on a keyboard when sounds start with such a massive latency - IT CAN'T BE DONE. Thanks to anyone willing to listen. If you're also willing to help/give me tip for another "100% working, user friendly and easy to setup ASIO2OBS solution", i'm game, but there's a solid chance if that method is gonna fail as well, i'm gonna recreate this rant on a support forum for another software... — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#141>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ATM3HVUZ44KZUK6NGBKIBLT3QJ4R3AVCNFSM6AAAAACFHUC7DKVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43ASLTON2WKOZTGM3DSOBQGM3TKNQ> . You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[PcbFlare]

To be honest, that solution is too oldschool for my tastes. Software doesn't frustrate me in general, it frustrates me when something unexpected happens. Again, no matter how many times i set exception in my AV, it kept blocking the installation. At that point, yeah, i usually give up, or try something else...
I wonder why is getting application to "hear" ASIO from other application seems to be such a tough climb. From the various forums i read, the OBS issues are basically the norm. It's the people who managed to run it without issue who are the outliers.
Btw if you have any tips whatsoever how to manage to get through the SAR installation, i'm all ears. I just didn't think that having to create exception after exception only that the installation clones itself under a different name and THAT file gets flagged - that is not normal.

[Yonatan-Mijelshon]

I'd check these steps: 1) check where you got SAR from. Here's the official Github repo <https://github.com/eiz/SynchronousAudioRouter/releases/tag/v0.13.1> 2) Disable your antivirus for the installation procedure 3) execute the SAR installer as Administrator I've installed SAR in about 7 different computers, mine and friend's, locally and thru TeamViewer, and never ran into the issues you are describing. I don't use AVG but just Windows Defender though. As for using it with OBS yeah, it's very straightforward once you get SAR installed. I have a working remote installation running continuously for 3 years now for weekly streams without issues, carrying Reaper's output to OBS's input for a Youtube livestream. I've tried ReStream, no success. I've tried the OBS ASIO plugins, no success either. If I had to try something new, I'd use the NDI Audio plugin (add it to the end of your VST chain on your DAW), then input to OBS with the DistroAV NDI source plugin. Disadvantage is it won't be available as a global audio source, which I strongly prefer. But to be honest, right now I use the S/PDIF out of my audio interface with a straight cable going into S/PDIF in, and tell my DAW to go out of SPDIF and OBS to receive the SPDIF In. Works like a charm... no DA/AD conversion, almost no latency.

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On Sun, Aug 31, 2025 at 9:57 PM PcbFlare ***@***.***> wrote: *PcbFlare* left a comment (eiz/SynchronousAudioRouter#141) <#141 (comment)> To be honest, that solution is too oldschool for my tastes. Software doesn't frustrate me in general, it frustrates me when something unexpected happens. Again, no matter how many times i set exception in my AV, it kept blocking the installation. At that point, yeah, i usually give up, or try something else... I wonder why is getting application to "hear" ASIO from other application seems to be such a tough climb. From the various forums i read, the OBS issues are basically the norm. It's the people who managed to run it without issue who are the outliers. Btw if you have any tips whatsoever how to manage to get through the SAR installation, i'm all ears. I just didn't think that having to create exception after exception only that the installation clones itself under a different name and THAT file gets flagged - that is not normal. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#141 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ATM3HVR7QJTQKMNDR56M5RL3QOKYHAVCNFSM6AAAAACFHUC7DKVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZTENBQGU3TKMZVGI> . You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[PcbFlare]

Thx for the tips. I got sar from here, from github. Soo, can you pls help me a bit with the S/PDIF cable? I guess it's gonna be probably the path of least resistance for me. I gotta admit, despite creating music on computers, synths, samplers, romplers, etcetc since 1994, i NEVER used S/PDIF cable (or ADAT, but that's irrelevant here).
Do i understand that although the cable itself is as analogue as cable can be, it's actually sending data?
I'm not sure where from/where to am i supposed to connect the cable. I have an external Behringer UMC404HD audio interface, that i'm using mostly with Renoise+many VSTs and/or AKAI MPC software or NI Maschine+. The Behringer unfortunately doesn't have SPDIF connector. Since i never used it, i wasn't looking for it. I needed a reasonably priced "soundcard" with as many 5DIN MIDI connectors i could get at that price range area.
After reading some comparisons with similarly priced products, the Behringer didn't come out on top, but was highly recommended. The consensus was something along the lines of "while this Audio Interface does have certain flaws, it has generally much better sound than it has any business to, at this price range. Also has 4x MIDI ports unlike competition's products, that mostly offer just 2 in that <120EUR price range (IIRC that's around what i bought it for, few years ago).
My motherboard does have S/PDIF connector, but wouldn't i have to use the onboard RealTek audio to utilize the SPDIF connector? That onboard chip most likely won't have ASIO drivers for a change...
See? It's a puzzle.

[Yonatan-Mijelshon]

No SPDIF on the 404HD. But plenty of aux outputs to route signal. Just grab a 2x TS to stereo aux cable and go out of the Behringer and in to the LINE IN jack in your motherboard. You can then use that line in as your "mic" in OBS, case solved. You are not recording an album, you can stand one DA/AD cycle, also it's not a latency sensitive application by this point

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On Mon, 1 Sep 2025 at 16:00 PcbFlare ***@***.***> wrote: *PcbFlare* left a comment (eiz/SynchronousAudioRouter#141) <#141 (comment)> Thx for the tips. I got sar from here, from github. Soo, can you pls help me a bit with the S/PDIF cable? I guess it's gonna be probably the path of least resistance for me. I gotta admit, despite creating music on computers, synths, samplers, romplers, etcetc since 1994, i NEVER used S/PDIF cable (or ADAT, but that's irrelevant here). Do i understand that although the cable itself is as analogue as cable can be, it's actually sending data? I'm not sure where from/where to am i supposed to connect the cable. I have an external Behringer UMC404HD audio interface, that i'm using mostly with Renoise+many VSTs and/or AKAI MPC software or NI Maschine+. The Behringer unfortunately doesn't have SPDIF connector. Since i never used it, i wasn't looking for it. I needed a reasonably priced "soundcard" with as many 5DIN MIDI connectors i could get at that price range area. After reading some comparisons with similarly priced products, the Behringer didn't come out on top, but was highly recommended. The consensus was something along the lines of "while this Audio Interface does have certain flaws, it has generally much better sound than it has any business to, at this price range. Also has 4x MIDI ports unlike competition's products, that mostly offer just 2 in that <120EUR price range (IIRC that's around what i bought it for, few years ago). My motherboard does have S/PDIF connector, but wouldn't i have to use the onboard RealTek audio to utilize the SPDIF connector? That onboard chip most likely won't have ASIO drivers for a change... See? It's a puzzle. — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#141 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ATM3HVXAAJFK5JJJOK4MLKD3QSJTTAVCNFSM6AAAAACFHUC7DKVHI2DSMVQWIX3LMV43OSLTON2WKQ3PNVWWK3TUHMZTENBTGEYDOMZRGU> . You are receiving this because you commented.Message ID: ***@***.***>

[PcbFlare]

Yeah, i guess... I just hoped that if i dig deep enough, i'm eventually gonna find some kind of a missing piece to the puzzle, it's finally gonna click, and i'm gonna finally be able to use one of the various ASIO2OBS solutions. But IT.JUST.DOESN'T.WORK. After watching multiple tutorials, trying to find if there are inconsistencies or different steps but nope. So i follow the step-by-step instruction to the letter, set everything up as instructed, but in the end there's just silence once again.
But as i wrote above, this ASIO/OBS fuckery seems to be the normal state of the matter.
It just refuses to work for a lot of us, for some of us it works but it's horribly crackling, and the lucky few who don't have issue don't have solution either, because they haven't actually ran/solve any problem. They just repeat what they did, which unfortunately seems to be working only on their specific HW/SW combination.

Ok, i almost gave up on the entire idea of streaming Renoise anyway. But if an inevitable urge to stream Renoise for whatever reason returns, i'm just gonna follow your advice and send the audio the analogue way...