Why is this opt-out and not opt-in?? - #3724
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Why is this opt-out and not opt-in??
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100% should be opt-in instead of opt-out, makes you seem like a shady company to me. |
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Because it's a project run by greedy losers who don't understand consent. |
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100% |
very true |
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also note that they have not been responding to (nor acting on) the past like 2k opt-out requests. i guess they weren't expecting this many people to hate generative AI and hate them by extension. what happens in the coming weeks will be even more of a litmus test. |
they probably knew not enough people would like the idea enough to want to apply |
that's probably the reality of it |
Laziness is almost certainly also a factor. Ethically reaching out to people to request opt-in takes time and is tough. This route lets them hoover up everything and then just ignore the requests to opt out, easy peasy. |
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it gets worse. it's effectively opt-in to look at the dataset, but opt-out for being included in it. the absolute gall of this fuckass company. 
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this cant be legal... at least in some regions, right? |
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it does seem like they've made an attempt to only scrape projects with permissive licenses, but that is demonstrably not a hard rule. some of my friends' ARR projects were included in the stack |
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hopefully someone is able to take legal action against this in the meantime i guess i could create a license for whatever i release next |
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#3356 has a threat of litigation :3 |
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that's amazing! |
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I hope they get in legal trouble for this, because they 100% deserve it. |
Because they know the dataset would be tiny if they made it opt-in, because no one who cares (about their own cognitive capacity, or the access to information on the web, or the environment, or making good investments, or so many other things), would be part of this slop. They just applied the same principle others applied before when stealing art for their datasets: Not giving a **** about what anyone else thinks and just doing whatever they want. Hopefully, the clock is ticking. |
class action when™? |
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If it was opt-in, the only people that would opt-in would most likely be vibecoders who use generative AI, causing their model to be trained on other AI generated code, i.e garbage in garbage out, but yeah I fucking loathe how they decided to make it opt-out. |
garbage in, garbage out is better than honest stuff in, garbage out. at least it's self-contained garbage, then. the project would eat itself to death |
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im afraid class action in america against rich greedy assholes wont come far given how money runs everything in this world :D :D, worth trying though just for the possibilty alone |
That's v1, the current iteration should be here (v3), which at least lets you view the thing. Side note: They mention that they try to abide by the licenses included. The Stack includes code without a license, and did not try to contact the accounts hosting the code, therefore willingly including All Rights Reserved code. |
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oh i see, okay. thanks for following up on that |
also thank you very much for that link lol, i had not seen that before. maybe i will make it my screensaver. or make a short video with the william tell overture playing over the top. it's blissfully cathartic 😆 |
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The AI sector doesn't understand consent or property rights, so we should just take their property in kind. Clément Delangue, Thomas Wolf and Julien Chaumond are all people with property and exist in the real world, and that property can be seized. |
much though i want to say "based" please be careful saying things like that. if this goes to court, it's not going to look good to have physical, in-world property theft threats from our end too. this is not me taking a "two wrongs don't make a right" high ground, i genuinely just think it serves to make our case slightly less legitimate in the eyes of the law. i fully share the cynicism, let's just try to be as diplomatic as we can through this very reasonable anger :3 |
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For anyone who reads this thread, i found a repo with some anti-ai licenses with versions for most of the well known licenses |
nice! ty |
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do they even care abt these optout issues looks like the only time they gave a fuck was like 2yrs ago grrrrrr i hate ai chuds |
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looks like they don't. they're taking the "it'll blow over at some point" approach |
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Yeah well, now I bulk pushed a license file to all my repos, did the opt-out thing, and am considering mailing their legal dpt. Here's the (ironically) vibe coded script I used to push my license in bulk if anyone wants to do the same. |
ehehehe i love that this is just at the bottom of the thread, almost taunting HF
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See two comments above yours, @Tahirc1 |
gonna keep that here until this conflict is resolved lol |
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Cool, so they're just blatantly infringing on copyright, and they will not respond to DMCA requests. Good to know! |
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I just bothered to look at the "opt-out pipeline" |
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so what the f- even is the "opt-out pipeline"? |
Wait, is our data actually being removed? I'll wait until my issue is closed and I'll stream-sweep this dataset to look for my stuff. |
ohhhh nohohohoho- this is a smoking gun |
Questionably, and extremely hard to verify (at least for me because I have absolutely no fucking clue how to even interact with that much data)
? No idea what you mean, they've been pretty blatant from the get-go about rehosting unlicensed code without permission, them being incompetent when they allow you to request not to do it doesn't really change much. |
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I mean they have that /data/outputs.jsonl file tat I suppose they use internally to sweep and delete data?
I'll actually give it a go. You apparently have the ability to stream the dataset from hugging face. I'll probably do that and sweep the metadata AND file content to see if any of my stuff is still in there. They could just be altering metadata, I don't trust them. |
oh i know but if it turns out they haven't been opting people out from the beginning and have instead just been closing reports to make it look like they're doing something, that's another level of fecklessness that wouldn't be surprising, but it would be damning |
No they have removed things from the repo, just with like, varying levels of competence. |
Yeah my issue requesting all my commits be removed (to catch e.g. forks) only seems to have duplicated my org request, according to that. |
That's how I noticed, actually lel |
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I have also sent a GDPR erasure notice, will let y'all know how that goes. |
Any update? They seem to have given up doing anything |
Sent one on the 05/08 too, no answers yet. |
was this there the whole time?
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lol yet another admission of guilt from stealingface … I wonder if they honestly believe the things they spout and do. To believe in LLMs is to be evil or idiotic. |
that's so petty hahaha |
omg lmao |
No explanation on how to verify your data got properly removed. |
"Trust me bro, it's out". Except everyone that downloaded the dataset at release or before your data got effectively erased already have it and have trained on it. All the main training companies already have a copy and are probably actively training on it. Basically this opt-out thing is just to give us something to suck on while they use our projects and works for profit. I haven't heard back from the mail I sent to their legal team either. |
for context: anton-l is the one huggingface co person I got to reply to anything at all so far, and all the reply I got to that complaint was a useless fucking heart emoji :⁾ |
Nope, no response on the GDPR request. Also, neither my issue listing commits nor my issue also requesting org removal was processed completely (first not having the commits removed, second not removing other orgs of which I am a part, which is their duty to work out). |
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Sounds like it's time for someone to lawyer up |
my issue was "processed" |
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Could you PLEASE make this opt-in instead? This is very scummy and I don't think as many people will be willing to support you if this is the case.